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	<title>Comments on: Verizon Refuses to Reactivate StarTAC</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Brock</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-13263</link>
		<dc:creator>John Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that clinches it for me.  Verizon can go to Hell as far as I'm concerned.  I have a good StarTAC phone that I had misplaced for a while.  I replaced it with a crappy little GPS enabled basic phone before I found my trusty StarTAC.  A couple nights ago, the replacement GPS phone was stolen from my car.  "Not a problem" I said to myself.  "I can reactivate my trusty old StarTAC."  No way.  This refusal of Verizon combined with their call plans that don't fit my usage, and their illegal wire tapping complicity with The Dufus from Crawford, TX, I'm switching carriers.  Maybe T-Mobile this time.  Adios Verizon!  My you rot in Hell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that clinches it for me.  Verizon can go to Hell as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  I have a good StarTAC phone that I had misplaced for a while.  I replaced it with a crappy little GPS enabled basic phone before I found my trusty StarTAC.  A couple nights ago, the replacement GPS phone was stolen from my car.  &#8220;Not a problem&#8221; I said to myself.  &#8220;I can reactivate my trusty old StarTAC.&#8221;  No way.  This refusal of Verizon combined with their call plans that don&#8217;t fit my usage, and their illegal wire tapping complicity with The Dufus from Crawford, TX, I&#8217;m switching carriers.  Maybe T-Mobile this time.  Adios Verizon!  My you rot in Hell!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Startracker</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-12962</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Startracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a broken phone learn how to take it apart and see if you can merge spare parts and leave the ESN intact.  It's not that hard.  I do it quite regularly on a Startac 7878 and my son has done a V70 a couple times.  If you're all thumbs take your spare and broken phone to a cell phone, or handheld radio, repair shop and tell them to try it for you.  It might be a trick to find a competent repair shop.  Nobody fixes anything anymore.  The good news is spares are a dime a dozen on E-Bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a broken phone learn how to take it apart and see if you can merge spare parts and leave the ESN intact.  It&#8217;s not that hard.  I do it quite regularly on a Startac 7878 and my son has done a V70 a couple times.  If you&#8217;re all thumbs take your spare and broken phone to a cell phone, or handheld radio, repair shop and tell them to try it for you.  It might be a trick to find a competent repair shop.  Nobody fixes anything anymore.  The good news is spares are a dime a dozen on E-Bay.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Startracker</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-12961</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Startracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 2 years ago I actually lodged a formal complaint with the FCC about Verizon's false stance that an FCC regulation required them to fobid me from swapping a broken a non-E911 phone with an idenditcal functionling unit.  After much paperwork and hopefully many thousands of dollars (probably not) of Verizon lawyer time I got an offical letter from the FCC stating that they found I had no legitimate complaint.

I now do what a lot of people with the trusty 7868 Startacs do.  When something breaks I take the phone apart and replace the broken parts with pieces from a pile of perfectly good Startacs that Verizon and the FCC have rendered only useful for spare parts.  That works fine as long as the broken part is not the main board the logic and hence the ESN.  I will keep my $28/month Startac plan with Verizon until that fateful day when the processor board breaks then I'll switch to T-Mobile and a GSM phone that has all the ID stuff in the SIM card.  It's getting close.  Just today I had to actually do a repair to the processor board.  I just hope it holds.  I really like the Startac 7868.  It as thin as anything out there and actually feels like a real phone of olden times that covers your ear so your conversation is yours not the whole room's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 2 years ago I actually lodged a formal complaint with the FCC about Verizon&#8217;s false stance that an FCC regulation required them to fobid me from swapping a broken a non-E911 phone with an idenditcal functionling unit.  After much paperwork and hopefully many thousands of dollars (probably not) of Verizon lawyer time I got an offical letter from the FCC stating that they found I had no legitimate complaint.</p>
<p>I now do what a lot of people with the trusty 7868 Startacs do.  When something breaks I take the phone apart and replace the broken parts with pieces from a pile of perfectly good Startacs that Verizon and the FCC have rendered only useful for spare parts.  That works fine as long as the broken part is not the main board the logic and hence the ESN.  I will keep my $28/month Startac plan with Verizon until that fateful day when the processor board breaks then I&#8217;ll switch to T-Mobile and a GSM phone that has all the ID stuff in the SIM card.  It&#8217;s getting close.  Just today I had to actually do a repair to the processor board.  I just hope it holds.  I really like the Startac 7868.  It as thin as anything out there and actually feels like a real phone of olden times that covers your ear so your conversation is yours not the whole room&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-12885</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 20:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in the same boat as the rest of you. "FCC rule prohibits reactivating non-gps phone", a perfectly functional Kyocera 2235. It'd be nice if Jody would report on her ESN software research, but I'm sure she has moved on with her life...
So far it looks like everybody replying here has submitted to Verizon's and the Feds rules.
Why would anyone want to give Feds more control over healthcare and the economy, when they manage to screw up something that people were perfectly happy with for the sake of extra control and monitoring of the population!  Be careful who you elect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the same boat as the rest of you. &#8220;FCC rule prohibits reactivating non-gps phone&#8221;, a perfectly functional Kyocera 2235. It&#8217;d be nice if Jody would report on her ESN software research, but I&#8217;m sure she has moved on with her life&#8230;<br />
So far it looks like everybody replying here has submitted to Verizon&#8217;s and the Feds rules.<br />
Why would anyone want to give Feds more control over healthcare and the economy, when they manage to screw up something that people were perfectly happy with for the sake of extra control and monitoring of the population!  Be careful who you elect!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-12775</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's infuriating!!  I just tried to reactivate a perfectly functional (but older) Nokia phone for my mom.  (Her newer cell phone broke).  I got the same story from Verizon -- can't be reactivated as it is "not FCC compliant."  I'm glad I came on the internet and found the truth.  It sure is convenient to force her to spend ~$300+ for a phone with features that she will never use, or maybe she can spend less (~$100) and be forced to renew for another 2+ years.  GRRRRRRR!  I think I will be calling some friends who have fled from Verizon and seeing if they have any newer Verizon phones sitting around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s infuriating!!  I just tried to reactivate a perfectly functional (but older) Nokia phone for my mom.  (Her newer cell phone broke).  I got the same story from Verizon &#8212; can&#8217;t be reactivated as it is &#8220;not FCC compliant.&#8221;  I&#8217;m glad I came on the internet and found the truth.  It sure is convenient to force her to spend ~$300+ for a phone with features that she will never use, or maybe she can spend less (~$100) and be forced to renew for another 2+ years.  GRRRRRRR!  I think I will be calling some friends who have fled from Verizon and seeing if they have any newer Verizon phones sitting around.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-12594</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone been successful w/ reactivating their startacs? 
Mine broke and I have a spare.
I'm hoping Verizon will actitvate the new spare phone?!?
Ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone been successful w/ reactivating their startacs?<br />
Mine broke and I have a spare.<br />
I&#8217;m hoping Verizon will actitvate the new spare phone?!?<br />
Ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-12545</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not about 911, Phone company does not give a s**t if you live or die. The e911 Compatible phones have GPS reciever in them, so they can collect data on traffic and sell that Information to News channels, radio, XM live traffic, goverment stats. and private companies. So more people have new phones, more accurate thier data is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about 911, Phone company does not give a s**t if you live or die. The e911 Compatible phones have GPS reciever in them, so they can collect data on traffic and sell that Information to News channels, radio, XM live traffic, goverment stats. and private companies. So more people have new phones, more accurate thier data is.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-12526</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 15:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was screwed by Verizon too. It is a ripoff no law says they have to make me E911 compatable. I have called 911 for accidents I have seen and the 911 operator DOES NOT know my cell number I have to tell them what it is. It seems Verizon is the hypicrite by not upgrading the network for E911 but making me use only E911 equipment. We have never had a E911 'Rescue' I can ever recall. Even nationally I have heard of a 'few' times cell phone GPS has done any good and only after days have passed, cell phone battery has quit, and cell tower 'pinged' was miles away leaving 100's of square miles to search. Even then it would be a decade or so until all the NON- E911 phones would permenently fail and we would all be E911 compatable just by obsolesence. Gov't aways supports existing equipement in every case of change except this one. Guess we know who gives out the campain contrabutions by the truck load.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was screwed by Verizon too. It is a ripoff no law says they have to make me E911 compatable. I have called 911 for accidents I have seen and the 911 operator DOES NOT know my cell number I have to tell them what it is. It seems Verizon is the hypicrite by not upgrading the network for E911 but making me use only E911 equipment. We have never had a E911 &#8216;Rescue&#8217; I can ever recall. Even nationally I have heard of a &#8216;few&#8217; times cell phone GPS has done any good and only after days have passed, cell phone battery has quit, and cell tower &#8216;pinged&#8217; was miles away leaving 100&#8217;s of square miles to search. Even then it would be a decade or so until all the NON- E911 phones would permenently fail and we would all be E911 compatable just by obsolesence. Gov&#8217;t aways supports existing equipement in every case of change except this one. Guess we know who gives out the campain contrabutions by the truck load.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-11496</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. forget about it
2. buy some old same phones cheap on ebay, swap parts yourself. Might work, might be a waste. Send to Motorola might be 100% fix, but can cost as much as #3
3. 100% solution. Costly, but not a $1500. If you pass on GPS, newer Headunits come around $200 with bluetooth build in. I went with GPS $700 form Pioneer for my Mercedes, you'll get 1)better sound, 2) Many extras like IPOD and XM, 3) Can use any phone from now on. When you'll sell your car just put old stereo back and sell your Headunit ( you'll recover at least half of the money). Still around $1000 installed, but has other benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. forget about it<br />
2. buy some old same phones cheap on ebay, swap parts yourself. Might work, might be a waste. Send to Motorola might be 100% fix, but can cost as much as #3<br />
3. 100% solution. Costly, but not a $1500. If you pass on GPS, newer Headunits come around $200 with bluetooth build in. I went with GPS $700 form Pioneer for my Mercedes, you&#8217;ll get 1)better sound, 2) Many extras like IPOD and XM, 3) Can use any phone from now on. When you&#8217;ll sell your car just put old stereo back and sell your Headunit ( you&#8217;ll recover at least half of the money). Still around $1000 installed, but has other benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-11495</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

I own a 2001 BMW with integrated hands free phone system which relys on the startac.  Recently my phone got fried and will no longer work.  I went to a verizon wireless store and they would not repair or replace the phone and suggested a third party (ebay).  Then come back to get the phone activated to my current account.  Finally got one and called to activate today.  I was now told that they are forbidden from activating non e911 phones (even though I was using one until it got fried). After much moaning and groaning on my part they offered a free phone to replace (which doesnt help with the bmw integrated hands free system and emergency services option). They absolutely will not activate the phone for me.  I tried calling several times hoping to find a sympathetic rep.

I have conceived several possible scenarios to address this problem.

1. Find a knowledgeable phone hacker who can do this for me without verizons help.  Seems difficult to me since it would require information from verizon based on the new ESN.

2. See if a phone expert can repair my old phone using parts from the new phone.  If the problem were limited to power supply this might be an easy fix.  Or could all the components of the phone be switched out while still maintaining the ESN so verizon would continue to allow me to use the "same" phone.

3. Upgrade my cars phone system to bluetooth and get one of the newer compatible phones.  This would be a very expensive option approaching $1500 in parts and labor and new phone.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Does anyone know any way I might accomplish one of the above or maybe you have another solution which may work for me.

Thank you so much for your time
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I own a 2001 BMW with integrated hands free phone system which relys on the startac.  Recently my phone got fried and will no longer work.  I went to a verizon wireless store and they would not repair or replace the phone and suggested a third party (ebay).  Then come back to get the phone activated to my current account.  Finally got one and called to activate today.  I was now told that they are forbidden from activating non e911 phones (even though I was using one until it got fried). After much moaning and groaning on my part they offered a free phone to replace (which doesnt help with the bmw integrated hands free system and emergency services option). They absolutely will not activate the phone for me.  I tried calling several times hoping to find a sympathetic rep.</p>
<p>I have conceived several possible scenarios to address this problem.</p>
<p>1. Find a knowledgeable phone hacker who can do this for me without verizons help.  Seems difficult to me since it would require information from verizon based on the new ESN.</p>
<p>2. See if a phone expert can repair my old phone using parts from the new phone.  If the problem were limited to power supply this might be an easy fix.  Or could all the components of the phone be switched out while still maintaining the ESN so verizon would continue to allow me to use the &#8220;same&#8221; phone.</p>
<p>3. Upgrade my cars phone system to bluetooth and get one of the newer compatible phones.  This would be a very expensive option approaching $1500 in parts and labor and new phone.</p>
<p>Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Does anyone know any way I might accomplish one of the above or maybe you have another solution which may work for me.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your time<br />
Rich</p>
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		<title>By: stanley</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-7313</link>
		<dc:creator>stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I just got the same problem, my startac came the car,  verizon is refuse to activate it, they say it's due to FCC law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just got the same problem, my startac came the car,  verizon is refuse to activate it, they say it&#8217;s due to FCC law.</p>
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		<title>By: James W. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-4153</link>
		<dc:creator>James W. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My old Startac is having problems so I went to Alltel to have a brand new one I have on hand activated and was told that due to government regulations they would not be able to activate it or they would be subject to a fine.  I live in Yutan Nebraska and went to the Alltel office in Omaha.  I took them at their word until I read your article and now I am going back into the office and ask them for the legislation that will not allow my phone to be activated and see what they have to say.  This really makes me mad because I have been using my Startac and like it so much I had a spare and spare batteries, and chargers.  Thank you for enlightening me to this scam.    Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My old Startac is having problems so I went to Alltel to have a brand new one I have on hand activated and was told that due to government regulations they would not be able to activate it or they would be subject to a fine.  I live in Yutan Nebraska and went to the Alltel office in Omaha.  I took them at their word until I read your article and now I am going back into the office and ask them for the legislation that will not allow my phone to be activated and see what they have to say.  This really makes me mad because I have been using my Startac and like it so much I had a spare and spare batteries, and chargers.  Thank you for enlightening me to this scam.    Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-3224</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just picked up a Kyocera 2135 phone off eBay this week, because that is the phone I originally used with Verizon five years ago and I really love it--especially the LOUD buzzer they use for the ringers.

Customer service AND the website refused to activate it.  So now I'm stuck with an awesome phone that they won't activate.  As a last-ditch effort to outsmart the bastards I pay around $100 a month to for cell phone service, I'm trying to find software that will let me modify my ESN to match my existing Motorola V70's configuration and silently get my way in the end.  We'll see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just picked up a Kyocera 2135 phone off eBay this week, because that is the phone I originally used with Verizon five years ago and I really love it&#8211;especially the LOUD buzzer they use for the ringers.</p>
<p>Customer service AND the website refused to activate it.  So now I&#8217;m stuck with an awesome phone that they won&#8217;t activate.  As a last-ditch effort to outsmart the bastards I pay around $100 a month to for cell phone service, I&#8217;m trying to find software that will let me modify my ESN to match my existing Motorola V70&#8217;s configuration and silently get my way in the end.  We&#8217;ll see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: bagelbaker</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>bagelbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so excited to find a 3285, new, in original packaging, never used, on ebay. They just don't make cell phones like this anymore. It was a verizon phone originally and I have verizon service so I bought it. I was shocked Verizon wouldn't program it due to the E911 tracking chip not being in the phone. They said it was a law. After reading your article I see now that they lied to me! How can they get away with this? This warning should be out there to people buying cell phones on Ebay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so excited to find a 3285, new, in original packaging, never used, on ebay. They just don&#8217;t make cell phones like this anymore. It was a verizon phone originally and I have verizon service so I bought it. I was shocked Verizon wouldn&#8217;t program it due to the E911 tracking chip not being in the phone. They said it was a law. After reading your article I see now that they lied to me! How can they get away with this? This warning should be out there to people buying cell phones on Ebay.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.moundalexis.com/tm/2006/02/21/verizon-refuses-to-reactivate-startac/#comment-2078</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall the moment my Startac was killed.

I was in Florida as Katrina was heading toward New Orleans and had purchased a used Startac off eBay to replace my falling-apart one-- lots of hard knocks on it-- and I went online to do the switchover as I had before.

An error message showed up on the new handset and it croaked on the spot.

I tried to reactivate the old one and the same exact thing happened!

After much swearing and railing at Verizon folks, I finally found articles detailing this problem as being commonplace, that Verizon was denying service to non-E911 phones.

I still think they actively killed mine. 

I picked up a used E911 phone at a pawn shop for ten bucks and left Verizon soon after, never to return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall the moment my Startac was killed.</p>
<p>I was in Florida as Katrina was heading toward New Orleans and had purchased a used Startac off eBay to replace my falling-apart one&#8211; lots of hard knocks on it&#8211; and I went online to do the switchover as I had before.</p>
<p>An error message showed up on the new handset and it croaked on the spot.</p>
<p>I tried to reactivate the old one and the same exact thing happened!</p>
<p>After much swearing and railing at Verizon folks, I finally found articles detailing this problem as being commonplace, that Verizon was denying service to non-E911 phones.</p>
<p>I still think they actively killed mine. </p>
<p>I picked up a used E911 phone at a pawn shop for ten bucks and left Verizon soon after, never to return.</p>
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